be braver this time, have a vp pick of condoleezza rice or marco rubio? what should they be thinking? >> my preference is for the president to be more progressive, number one. to say that. since we're talking about the right. >> it's always healthy -- >> i totally agree. i believe in competition. i don't like coronations. i like real content. i want to see this kind of contest. i think the problem republicans are making in the conversation is that they think it's about a personality rather than about a policy change. they think it's about outreach rather than inclusion. they want to be ai competitive party in the most multicultural, multiracial ethnicity in america, they have to understand they are out of step with americans. >> you have this moderation, nationally televised discussion, future without poverty, 6:30 9:0 p.m., tell us about that. >> we're going back to washington to tell the president that poverty is a matter of national security this is an issue we did not see debated during the campaign. it's an issue the president has to deal with. all k